Meeting in Penang : Steven

Hi Steven,

We would appreciate to have your email or contact so that other investors can contact you for the meeting. Kindly use http://lecruzactionteam.blogspot.com/ 

to communicate more as updates  on this site and also most people are visiting this site.

LAT 006

 

steven said...

I plan to hold a meeting in Penang on the lecruz scam soon. All lecruz investors please contact me through this blog.

January 9, 2010 1:40 PM

Lecruz Ad-Hoc Committee

Lecruz Ad-hoc committee

I realised that many of us have invested our hard earn money on Lecruz and hoping for a better return. I'm not different from any of you that have dump in large sum of money.
Recently the unforeseen changes on the return of investment have left all of us into frustration and disappointment. The Top-up plan that came out on September seems like a trap that have caught us by surprised. Almost all of us are not wiling to accept the new changes and personally I do feel that it is Lecruz responsibility to keep up to their promises . No matter what happens let s speak together as one voice,there is nothing much I can do alone, there is nothing anyone of us can do alone but in unity, one voice, thousands of us we can make our voices heard esp. in Macau. Together we can make an impact.
Therefore I would appreciate to hear from as many of you as possible. Keep in touch with each other on the latest updates. Do comment on this blog and email us at :lecruzpenang@gmail.com

Reply : Anonymous 17 @ SR

As we have said before , none of the comment is filtered or deleted. Somehow we do not want any particular person to be pin point without sufficient evident, therefore no personal name allowed. All of us have confirmed once again that nothing have been filtered or deleted, we only changed any personal name that have been found and all of us have all the back up at many blogs that have yet to be launched. If what you have written was not being published you may resend it to our email : Lecruzpenang@gmail.com,or rewrite as new comment, we will make sure it will be published. You may also try to scroll down to the bottom right and click on the "Older Posts". Your comments could have been in other older page(please refer to the date). If you would like to set up your own blog, do write to us.We can guide you. As we have said before, this is just the beginning, none of us have actually started yet, coz' we knew each other capability in this field, if you notice so far we have done is only responds to the comments, right? When bloggers started massive blogging it will be a lot different.WE all are gifted human beings and we cared for our downline who have trusted us, we will never betray them.WE also understand the Law of Karma! Therefore confirmed, none of us being bought over or somehow filtered anything.  Remember! make this blog to be more civilized and professional manner, try to avoid the F*** word,  anyway mis-spelling is accepted. Also remember the purpose of this blog is to get as many contacts as possible and be united as one, we will make an impact!.So far it is still less than 500 who have wrote in to us. Come On !, we have about 9 thousand  investors. You guys really happy with the changes so far? Think about your downline who have trusted you, and have given up their job and fully committed to Lecruz and now their life is destroyed. Think about those who have morgaged their property coz' of their commitment to Lecruz. Think about those who have invested in the smallest package,Bronze; to certain people it may be negligible but to others it may be their life saving or that could be what's left for their whole family. What if this family happened to be your very own family, with children who cannot even afford to go to McDonalds or KFC. You may think it is bullshit but there are actually such poor people who shared to own the smallest package! Think about the  Law of Karma, "You will reap what you sow" .
LAT

Anonymous said...

We trust this blog to be honest. But looking at the way you filter relevant information, obviously the blogger been bought by #001.SR.

November 2, 2009 1:02 AM

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Reply : Mike

Yup! We fully agree with you.At this moment we can't pin point anyone unless we have sufficient evident to prove that person guilty. That what ah leong or fishmonger or #001 what ever you may called is the only guy to contact that so called Satan or VJ or ... coz' they can "kap" very well...

Oh ya! Some great guy have put up some intersting video at youtube :

 

mike said...

we as a invester should take some action againt Le cruez rather then just giving mamorandum. We must lodge police report togather. We want so call leaders please come and explain we step to take next againts Wha Ah Leong

Reply : Anonymous 16

 

It will be best for you guys to contact your own upline and form your own groups within your area. Your immediate upline should be responsible for your investment coz' you have trusted him/her that's why you invested in Lecruz. Many responsible leaders have already formed their own group. Left a few irresponsible leaders who did nothing when they already knew there is a big problem. Remember them,their name, their contact and everything about them, then let the whole world know what type person they are. Keep monitoring this blog and you will know what to do next.

 

Anonymous16 said...

Please publish contact info on Action Group by area.

October 27, 2009 2:03 AM

Reply : Anonymous 15

Please be informed that None of the comment is filtered but we were told by our legal advisor not to reveal any personal name at this moment. Therefore we just edit any personal name that we found. 

We need more bloggers and those active in social network, forum, article writing etc. We would encourage all investors to use every resource available, get to know your group. If your upline/leader do not wish to cooperate, you should know which side they are in, just ignore them.There should be more than 90% of the investors loosing their hard earned money. FYI many action groups have been formed, joint them and contribute something. Remember action speaks louder than words, and it is not over yet, this is just the begining!

 

Anonymous 15 said...

How come your filtered comments?

October 25, 2009 5:27 PM

Anonymous 14 & sorrow victim

Anonymous 14 said...

Yes we should start our local network to show that we investor stay united so that we fight for our money for return from Le cruez.We must ask Fishmonger to explain to us what accualy happen. What happen to our money.As i know the money was send to Fishmonger , from him where the money goes he should answer to our questions.If there is no solution we must lodge police report against Fishmonger and Le Cruez

October 22, 2009 7:36 AM

sorrow victim ;( said...

i would recomend the entire team before heading to macau get the earlier memorandum signed up by all the investors as one unity /voice and to speak up all the issues mention in the latest meeting held on 20/10/2009 at penang and to be given them a lead time of 1 week for lecruz to come out with a win-win solution for both parties and strictly to refund back all the August & September investment failing with further delay i feel all of us to take next step to go ahead as for the memorandum issued earlier.

October 22, 2009 8:26 AM

JFKY said...

So far is there any updates on what is going on?It is almost 2 weeks since they last provide us with an update about the new plan.

Comments by : heart broken,Anonymous15 & Anonymous16

heart broken said...

hi, Nice to hear some guys are taking some brainstorming moves to handle the new unvaluable package redemption that will never ever get back even our capital.Im really going through a hard time since this was announced.I have invested a large amount and now I cant even recover.The next I think is to commit suicide.All my hard earn money has lost in the breeze. Im pretty sure alot of families are now suffering and having a tough time financially. God, when can we see your grace? Guys, getting a legal authority to handle this problem will might benefit us and very important that no one gets trapped in such scam future.My humble request if anybody is in the legal firm who has invested,pls come forward and give your ides how to move with this matter.Lecruz shouldn't ever just sweep our money of just like that and hand it over to someone else to run the show.When initial part they said MLM was the best marketing strategy and now they say MLM is a flop.If they think they cant cope,return back our capital. It is later up to us whether we want to invest with the other group or not.Not just throwing us out with all our money inside. I had a friend who already resigned job and now he is totally lost all out.Cant imagine how is he now.he even doesnt have the money for the wife who needs a cessarean end of this month....what a devastating time.Buddhist believe in law of KARMA--every action has has an equal reaction.For the damage they have done they have to pay for it.we investors should stay united and as said previously by other investors,get a immediate commitee from our investors with legal advisors to have a pleasant table talk with Lecruz and get things right back.(at least our capital back). Please.Please.Please.We need to be united.Please get more peolple to response to this call. Wake up dear investors. Time is running short.if we dont do it now,never ever forever.

October 22, 2009 8:42 PM

Anonymous15 said...

They had a meeting on 20.10.2009 what was the outcome. Anyupdate ?

October 22, 2009 11:02 PM

Anonymous16 said...

I like you all invested way back in Feb and up until the announcement I have never realise that it would close shop so soon. From US2.90 to HK2.00 and we are ask to be patient , give him a chance , we are all investor and so on. As I see those leders are no batter then Wijaya or Lecruz it is a scam . Wijaya is a front as back in Feb when we went to Macau Wijaya made an apperance now he is the boss. I think this wijaya and some of our Fellow Malaysian cook up this scam to take us. There were a few Fellow Malaysian which show up for our informal meeting at Venatian - 12 o clock Midnight so I thought this is still in its infancy maybe next time batter presentation. I have since erase the video I hope I can find it back and post it here for all to see. Now the 24 hero which went to Macau and came back with nothing now how long is this going to stand? They give this flimsy excuse that because of their scam it would compromise their bigger scam as an excuse to close shop , my son can script it batter what a load of rubbish. Maybe it would be batter it we go hire a private eye and dig up those behind this scam and decide what to collective do with them.

October 23, 2009 4:17 AM

Reply : Anonymous13 & heart broken

As we heard, 21 members were chosen in the new committee but half of them were those who used to stand behind during the meeting and shout  "good !" ,"Yes!" and clap hands, don't be surprised to hear that in Macau they will do the same thing and nothing more than that.Yup! We got to take action! and we got to be prepared if the unexpected happened! Write in to us for the .xml file and create a blog like this if not create your own new blog, youtube video etc. Remember not to pin-point anyone unless you have solid evident.

 

 Reply : heart broken

We sympathized what you are facing but we also like you to know that you are not alone. Our advice is Never think of giving up until you make full used of every resources that you have, stand up for your rights, make full used of the greatest tool that we have today ... the Internet!Your message will be heard throughout the whole wide world. There is still hope to recover our investment, this is not the end but it is just the beginning, its not over until we say its over,we have  not really taken any action yet! Me alone or you alone will not be able to make any different but in unity thousands of us will definitely make an impact! Get to know your group!

 

LAT

Anonymous13 said...

Just heard about 20 upline leaders will be going to Macau for negotiation with ???LECRUZ/VJ.The outcome can be anticipated!(sorry for saying this, but please proof me wrong)1)We will not know anybody behind LECRUZ, except one Mr VJ.2)They can promise anything,just to cool things down, but they don't have to deliver. 3) Leaders could be bought over, and anybody refuse may not be with us for long! The team doesn't have the bite of organised effort and legal documentation as suggested by ANONYMOUS 12.So let us not expect too much from the meeting in Macau. Let's be wiser and be realistic. Stop being just dependant on LECRUZ website. There is no simple honesty in them. We have to develope the network recomended to press for the demand. Shouting match and thumping the table is not going produce anything but final silence.Each downline must call the leaders to develope the network, for all to see to it that they remain accountable.If they fail, next round will be legal representation with 3 downline elected leaders (from each region); and present leaders shall act only as advisors, if needed.IF that (meeting with elected leaders) were not to materialise, we have nothing to loose going all out- via mass police report,( to trace trail of money transaction to Macau),publish the act of reporting with protesters via U-tube and international media to get attention of Macau regulatory authorities and the Macau casinos themselves. Not to forget the impact on Singapore, where LECRUZ targeting to position itself in a big way and the sentiment towards junkets is so far negative. AN EYE FOR AN EYE IS THE FINAL GAMEPLAN if all else fail. (ex-makkal sakhti)

October 22, 2009 8:27 AM

heart broken said...

hi, Nice to hear some guys are taking some brainstorming moves to handle the new unvaluable package redemption that will never ever get back even our capital.Im really going through a hard time since this was announced.I have invested a large amount and now I cant even recover.The next I think is to commit suicide.All my hard earn money has lost in the breeze. Im pretty sure alot of families are now suffering and having a tough time financially. God, when can we see your grace? Guys, getting a legal authority to handle this problem will might benefit us and very important that no one gets trapped in such scam future.My humble request if anybody is in the legal firm who has invested,pls come forward and give your ides how to move with this matter.Lecruz shouldn't ever just sweep our money of just like that and hand it over to someone else to run the show.When initial part they said MLM was the best marketing strategy and now they say MLM is a flop.If they think they cant cope,return back our capital. It is later up to us whether we want to invest with the other group or not.Not just throwing us out with all our money inside. I had a friend who already resigned job and now he is totally lost all out.Cant imagine how is he now.he even doesnt have the money for the wife who needs a cessarean end of this month....what a devastating time.Buddhist believe in law of KARMA--every action has has an equal reaction.For the damage they have done they have to pay for it.we investors should stay united and as said previously by other investors,get a immediate commitee from our investors with legal advisors to have a pleasant table talk with Lecruz and get things right back.(at least our capital back). Please.Please.Please.We need to be united.Please get more peolple to response to this call. Wake up dear investors. Time is running short.if we dont do it now,never ever forever

October 22, 2009 10:55 PM

Reply : Anonymous12

Thanks for sharing, that was a good suggestion .... Seems like most of the people have got the MEMO, anyone who need it please write in or ask from your upline. For the  back up of this blog, there are a few people who have requested for the .xml file(backup file) but we have suggested to them to just keep it for the time being, not to create havoc.  Lets give some time to the new committee, hopefully they come back with some good news.Those who know about blogging may also write in for the .xml file which you can just import into your new blog and everything will be exactly the same like this one.  Anyone can try but please not at the moment.For the time being,call your leaders and get contacts but please don't create havoc, don't pin-point anyone unless you have evidence to backup your claim. We must also respect those who have stood up for us during this critical moment. Remember almost everybody is going through a hard time now.Stay cool and just be prepared just in case..... Many of you still reluctant to write in, so far we have received less than 200 emails, come on! We have more than 8 thousand investors! Well if we have the number at least we can call up Datuk Tony for further discount....

 

 

Anonymous12 said...

Agree with you guys. Thank you for sharing. We have to stand united. But lets be prepared and encourage diverse opinions and course of action with one goal, one objective. For that we to define our objective clearly. 1) insist on orginal quantum promised by LECRUZ.( No third party, Wijaya group or otherwise.) Or pay our capital with interest rate in the same quantum they promised, depending on the time frame they take to pay us; even if they have to liquidate their company! This time we believe no website unilateral anouncements, but legal agreement with our lawyers we collectively hire (cost effective way).2) Start your local network for each area.eg Penang Island, Seberang Jaya, Sungai Petani and Kulim,Ipoh,KL, Klang,JB ect.PLEASE CALL YOUR UP-LINE LEADERS. The so-called LEADERS should share data of e-mail and handphone numbers of investors in areas they sponsor to prove they are with us. They can compile e- mail address by 'location wise' and e mail to down lines. This will facitate formation of groups, for meaningful negotiation with LECRUZ in Macau, with 3 representatives from each location with legal advisors present.This time we must have legal document signed enmass for all represented. We will have to get local lawyers in Macau to do the paper work and stamping. If we share out the legal cost it will be economical. Those who refuse to joint will have depend on the mercy of LECRUZ website for their returns. 3) Can somebody post the copy of MEMORANDUM submited to #001 here for all to read.4) We need to back up this blog, just in case; but best communicate thru this blog, for the sake of coherence.

October 20, 2009 9:56 AM

Reply : Anonymous11

 We are all praying hard hoping for miracle from the new committee, hopefully, a happy ending for everyone. We all knew things didn't go the way it supposed to be but we are still trying our best to make it right, sought out the best solution. The company is still around means that it still open for negotiation.We do not want to see even the smallest investor loosing their money. For the time being stay cool, stay connected, do some homework.... 

 

Anonymous11 said...

Fishmonger took us for a ride!I don't think the drop in CP rates has anything to do with the investment in Indonesia. Instead, it was a well executed scam, introduce high returns, give out impressive gifts, free tours etc. Then, announce a less than attractive scheme about two months in advance and pretend to be 'kind' to 'old time investors' by giving a one month grace (till Sept 30) to 'mop up' all liquid cash and bang!, 'close' the scheme.All these hype about a white knight trying to rescue is just that, hype!Legal option? We got to play our cards right and move in a single voice.

October 20, 2009 6:04 AM

Reply : Anonymous10

 Thanks for the sharing....

Anonymous10 said...

This is the latest suspicious event which has just unfolded. The CP withdrawal for cash is not being TT-ed from Macau or Hong Kong. Do you want to know from where the money is sent from? ha-ha! It is being deposited from an ATM in a small Public Bank branch in Johor Jaya in Johor!! How can an international company with headquarter in Canada and operations in Macau be sending money thru a local bank in Johor? Someone in this country is running this scam business! Furthermore today currency exhange rate for 2HKD is RM0.870830. The cash sent is equivalent exactly to 87 cents only. There is no decimal point in the cash withdrawal and no bank charges. This is how the scam is discovered!Whatever committee being set-up to discuss with Lecruz management or VJ is just another ploy to fool investors. It is our local people using Lecruz for cheating..........

October 20, 2009 4:49 AM

Reply :19th Oct.2009

  We don't foresee any good news from the meeting today coz' VJ is not around. Well, at this moment we can't really tell who is making money or who is loosing money what we heard is only word of mouth.Anyone can make up a story so as the leaders. The problem is that none of us are being called for the meeting, they only called a few so called supportive leaders(some leaders not supportive also being neglected). We also can't put all the blame to #001 coz' he is the only one to communicate with VJ.Why? Nobody taken the initiative to approach VJ or any Lecruz boss. Most of us are reluctant to take action and somehow hoping for miracle from #001. Your suggestion is right, we got to have our own team then contact each other. Please be reminded again and again, the purpose of this blog is to get as many contacts as possible so as to share the latest updates. All investors are also advised to backup their own Lecruz account, things is very uncertain nowadays. So far,We have more than one hundred who have email us but the number is still too small. If we unite together, thousands of us speak as one voice, it will definitely create an impact!

As for now we are still in the dark....Yup! the blind leads the blind, we are still going nowhere!Take action in a professional manner, consult professionals or at least create more blogs like this then link to each other as collect as many contacts as possible. As a reminder, don't create havoc! You will be blame by the leaders!

Alagan, we have the same feeling like you, the whole changes is just not right at all. 
Even if they fulfilled your request as suggested by Road Warrior 1CP=5HKD then ask you to sign an agreement and then they close shop in 3 months time.By then you cannot go after Lecruz anymore!


JFKY is right!That is what we supposed to do.(Please refer to JFKY comment below).

LAT

Anonymous7 said...

We understand from some "leaders" of this scheme(scam), that Mr #001 has called for a meeting of "leaders" (that he appointed) to meet at Penang island at 3pm-20/10/09,at a location that will be informed only at 2pm. This are the very people,pioneer investors,our helpless uplines, who all are (without exception)almost bankrupt due to September top-up package and stockist programme in the same month.(These "leader" are different from original 8 recruiters who invest only once, and profited thereby.)How can these victims speak for the whole group? How sure are we that will not be bought over due their predicament? They can't negotiate objectively from the point of strength for the whole group.Unless we Penang,Ipoh,KL, JB investors organise regionally. Each conduct our own meetings. Contribute say, RM500/= each investors, hire a legal advisor for each region. Then we can send our representatives with legal advisor to such meetings to negotiate on our behalf to Mr #001; later to Macau,to negotiate with LECRUZ, in the presence Mr #001 of course. Once our investment money is transfered to him as final destination before Macau, he has to remain accountable till we find a solution. This way we can come to amicable settlement, with returns as ORIGINALLY PROMISED BY LECRUZ or A REFUND WITH EQUIVALLENT INTEREST RATE as they originally promised. If fail then the next alternative.The so-called "leaders" appointed by Mr #001, are not our representatives. These upline investors should actually help organise regional grouping of investors,and let everybody take charge of our investment.This is because the uplines have all the contact datas. Otherwise, downline investors are likely to think these "leaders" as part of the scam later. You can't blame them. We see this as a part of scam strategy to pass the buck to the innocent upline investors later. LEADER is a misnomer here, LEADING-VICTIMS is more appropriate.(a reluctant "leader")

October 19, 2009 10:34 AM

JFKY said...

from the way i see it, it appears that we are being led blindly and attentions being diverted to VJ Group. With the above said meeting on 20th Oct 09 by Mr#001, and the "leaders" he appointed, I can't help but wonder if those appointed by Mr#001 are qualified to speak on all our behalf or scapegoats?I propose that we should focus our dealings with lecruz directly. The objectives:1. To have Lecruz stick to the old referral plan payout.2. Refund the money which was invested into lecruz to all the members which sign up in agreement with the old referral plan if they are not going to pay accordingly.So now the question is:1. Who is capable to speak on our behalf to negotiate with lecruz?2. We need to be able to get in contact with all members including all of those in other regions to align our objectives.3. A few representatives acknowledged by all members from each region to go to lecruz to negotiate.4. Somebody from the legal field to provide input on the situation and actions that can be taken.Please add in to my comments for extra inputs.We need to compile a list of our objectives, what can be done and what needs to be done, then present to all members.It is important that all are aware of the situation, everybody's goal is aligned, and they agree to the actions planned to be taken.

October 19, 2009 4:38 PM

Road_Warrior said...

There are few options remaining.1. Give Wijaya Group 2 months to come up with a win-win plan...?2. In the meantime, we pool all our resources to provide Wijaya group proposals that are acceptable to both parties.3. Review result of memorandum and take follow-up action. This can run concurrently with item 1.

October 19, 2009 6:36 PM

Anonymous8 said...

YES I AGREE with "reluctant leader". LECRUZ SHOULD stick to original promised return or refund our money immediately with interest. Of course present "LEADERS" are victims themselves. They were told to explain to downlines therefore, acting as buffer to 8 Top Recruiters appointed by Lecruz. Upline leaders can only repeat what they are being told by Mr 001. Negotiation should be done by our chosen representatives with legal counsels assisting; not as what is happening till now. TIME TO CHANGE!1) They are making us fools to fund Mr.VJ's Group, for returns below our capital. This is what this scam is all about.2) LECRUZ should not transfer the money to third party, (commercial crime; initiate legal action in Macau). This facilitates the scam.3)If Fishmonger and VJ treaten LECRUZ will absorb our investment in their account, challenge them to do it! That is illegal. Another commercial crime!

October 19, 2009 6:41 PM

Road Warrior said...

The HKD2 should be revised immediately. You don't have to wait until 2 months to do that.No matter how high the % is raised, the HKD2 is the deciding factor on the dividents rate. Fishmonger and VJ Group must give priority and work on this immediately and come out with a solution by end of this month. I propose the exchange rate for CPs to be revised to 5HKD.

October 19, 2009 6:42 PM

Alagan said...

Hi leaders, its high time that you people have another meeting with VJ Group and Lecruz reps in Macau. Then come up with solid answers / solutions for investers or what action to take next. Currently we are all left in limbo... and we find it difficult to answer our downline investers. God knows what can happen in the next 2 to 3 months?

October 19, 2009 6:50 PM

Anonymous9 said...

I'm one of the investor of this plan. As what i was told, the reason behind the downfall of the plan is that the company had invested in a casino in Indonesia. Alot of money had been dumped into it which cause the company to have insufficient fund to pay to their investor. One thing that i don't understand about the payout is that it divided into CP and REP. Can somebody explain to me what is REP? Someone told me that REP is the share dividen of the Indonesia Casino that gonna open next year. Is it true? If anybody is planning to go to macau this month, please do keep us update about the situation of the company ie. are they going to close down?

October 19, 2009 8:28 PM

Reply : Anonymous5

Thanks for sharing, we fully agree with you. Lecruz is responsible for our investment return.

LAT

 

Anonymous5 said...

I think that LECRUZ is cannot be labeled a scam yet!! LECRUZ is doing it professionally and legally. They "have" handed it over to Wijaya Group. The group is going to come up with written agreement which the investors have to sign. "Investors don't have a choice". But going by the protest, they might make a very good offer. Once signed by investors LECRUZ is no more legally responsible for our investment. That is when all our investment are going to get stuck.We must understand Lecruz is a legitimate junket business registed in Macau. The counterpart in Canada whose registration document shown on Lecruz.com website, is reported to be a dormant business; unlike Macau operations. Therefore, any litigation filed against Canada operations going to give limited returns. Any actions against Lecruz has to be focused on its Macau business. Being a junket for casinos, need a large bank deposit of several hundred million dollars in addition to impeccable reputation. Therefore,if we insist that LECRUZ, remains responsible for our investment and stop negotiating ANY deal with Wijaya Group; there is a good possiblity we will win. If LECRUZ says, it doesn't want to run the MLM, it CANNOT simply absorb all our money freely into its account. It is ILLEGAL. Please understand, Junket business in Macau is regulated strickly by Macau authorities. That is why the team of MLM leaders were going around the country explaining the new Wijaya Deal. It is a trap once we sign and accept it. Lecruz, is a multimillion dollar business entity whereas Wijaya is an individual who had been working for Lecruz. Therefore, although our Lecruz investment looks gone; it is not gone until we had signed the new deal with Mr. Wijaya or any third party. Then this will become a scam, unwinable in any court.Therefore,don't be rattled by present scenario of low returns. It is a psychological war. 1) Please insist to all the MLM leaders that we hold LECRUZ RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCEPTING OUR INVESTMENT THRU THEIR LOCAL AGENT IN MALAYSIA.The money trail is traceable.2)If Lecruz doesn't want to run MLM, IT SHOULD PAY THE PROMISED AMOUNT NEVERTHELESS. It is accountable for the promises made in the presentations by the local agents in Malaysia.3) If it fail to do so, the ensuing mass police report, with media publicity, will damage its business prospects in the region (Malaysia & Singapore included). That will be more damaging than any litigation. Refunding the investors is going to be least costly outlet for LECRUZ. They will take a less damaging path! (ex-makkal sakthi)

October 18, 2009 2:56 AM

Reply :Anonymous4

 Strange! As far as we know the memorandum wasn't initiated by either Chai,Tan or Lee but now it landed in your hand,Well, lets see what you have got, If you can send it here :

Lecruzpenang@gmail.com a few hundred people will be able to receive it in just a click.

LAT 

Anonymous said...

Hundreds of investors begining from KL, had signed a memorandum to LECRUZ and forwarded to Fishmonger in person at end of the meeting in public. This mass signatature campaign by investors point the accountablity/liablity to where it belongs. The copy of the MEMORANDUM has been circulated widely. If you don't have it, please make a request to us at chaitanlee@yahoo.com. Happy to forward to you. We don't know who wrote it, but forwarded to us by some other investors.We suggest get your downline to mass sign and to give one PHOTOCOPY OF THE SIGNED MEMORANDUM to each signatoty and the original goes to Fishmonger in person!

October 17, 2009 11:59 PM

Reply : Anonymous3

That's right! It was registered under an Ang Mo name using a residence address but now it was change to P.O.Box. We saw it before but did not have any backup ,would appreciate if you can send it to us (Lecruzpenang@gmail.com).We would encourage you guys to backup all the info. from the website about your account, we may need it soon. Lecruz should be a legal entity in Canada according to someone who have check it up and have been on tour and entertainment business for about 20 over years. Lecruz is one of the many junket in Venetian.A few have redeem the CP from the casino with picture taken but Can't confirm if that info. is true, anyone can be part of the team. Those who made profit could have be on their side too. Any how there is a very large group and a few smaller groups have prepared to take action and almost all of them aware of the traditional scam strategy, ie after this type of scenario happened , they will close shop in 3 months time.By that time,this MLM scam could be in Malaysia Book of Record for the largest amount of money and in the shortest period of time,guess whose name will be there? There may be a different ending as this time, as we heard it involved some VIPs. For us here, we are praying everyday,hopefully it will be happy ending.

LAT

Anonymous3 said...

Before investors heading to Macau or even Canada,do you know the entity status of Lecruz in Canada. It was registered in Canada using residence address . Do you guys check whether Lecruz haws legal entity in Canada. Lecruz is not Multi-Million business group as claimed in the website . If you noticed , their corporate info has been removed from website. If you do the business search , there is no business by the name of Lecruz running the multimillion entertainment and tour business Fishmonger partnered with VJ is part of the syndicate out to scam fellow Malaysians . If we did not get any form of confirmation by month end , we should go after fishermonger and VJ. By then , we should also report to Bukit Aman , Interpool , Indonesia and Macau authorities. Lecruz claimed to run junket business but they are even a junket in Venetian ???

October 17, 2009 8:29 AM

Reply : Nee2know and Anonymous1 &2

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In fact all of us and some of the leaders also felt very disappointed. Lecruz should keep their promises. We also felt very sad for fellow investors who will be celebrating Deepavali tomorrow and the money got stuck in Lecruz, hopefully their upline is human enough to provide them some help. We just came to know that many people have actually return the Direct Sponsor commission to their downline. Hope you guys who read this can do the same. God knows what we have done and if it is a good deeds the reward will be many many times greater. If otherwise ... you should know better. Just imagine some investors have actually invested their whole life saving and now they have the whole family to take care of but their money got stuck in this sort of investment.

Reply : Anonymous2

We were told by the leaders that Lecruz no longer wanted to continue this MLM business coz' they felt that their business was affected by members asking questions in the casino and they also find it not profitable. Somehow VJ decided to save this MLM by fully taking it over.

Somehow the restructuring process made people very disappointed.Those who have made profit at the earlier stage and did not reinvest, may not be affected so much. Even some of us here have different point of view but our main aim for this blog is get contacts and info. It is best we get to know as many fellow investors as possible so that we still can contact each other if things turns bad.

We also like to point out that at this moment that #001 is one of the very few people to be able to communicate and negotiate with VJ , so don't  create havoc, don't aggravate the situation, give them some time to make the changes, they need to calculate accurately before putting up new plan. If mis-calculate also can more problem right? On the other side we also must do our homework.

 

LAT

 

need2know said...

After pondering about it, I still think that it is not right that LeCruz dismiss all this and pass it on to VJ Group.They are not closing the business, and they are still going on making profit. If they want to stop MLM business, then return the money to the investors, and go back to their traditional ways.Its unethical to take the money, then stop the whole program and give back peanuts to the investors. This is what we call a SCAM.seriously, things look bleak for me.I believe other investors as well.Some could have their whole life ruin ahead of them...

October 15, 2009 8:30 PM

Anonymous said...

When I think about it, Lecruz not making profit is bullshit!, Sept 09 alone the investment should be above tenths of Mil. Sept. new plan was a trap, Sept. top-up also another trap! VJ taking over and setting up a new company maybe another trap. After we accepted and sign the agreement then thats it, we cannot sue Lecruz anymore!Coz' we agree liau ma! If those leaders sincerely wanted to help out, then they should come out with something solid to regain back our confident not only word of mouth..telling us to wait and see???I heard they have meeting everyday but till now we still end up less than 10% of what we should be getting.You create havoc- they blame on you! You wait another 3 months , company close shop - they also can blame on you!!!Fark! What can we do now ???I hope other leaders must also follow like ah leong fork out 2mil to adsorb the CP , to lighten the burden of the downline and also looks better after making tons of money. right?

October 15, 2009 10:06 PM

Anonymous2 said...

Has anybody brought up to the leaders to get back to lecruz and negotiate of returning all the investment because they stopped the program? Instead of having VJ venturing out into another business and get all investors blindly hoping?

October 15, 2009 11:02 PM

Reply : Revenge..

Yup! That guy was in mobile wallet.Whether he knew things earlier, we can't confirmed but till now we knew that he played the game well. If it is the same scenario for Lecruz, God knows what to do with this type of cold blooded people. 

As a reminder to those who read this, if the new plan comes out with a new entity and an agreement to sign then those who sign will be considered as have  agreed with the new plan and it will be difficult to take action against Lecruz. After that Lecruz will be out of the picture, the new company can be dissolved at anytime, coz' you guys are the one funded for it esp. the Sept. top-up package. 

As for now,we will have to wait for another week to see the new plan and the CP conversion. For the time being it is best you get as many contacts as possible from your uplines and downlines(except some of  the leaders).Try not to create havoc, as the leaders will put all the blame on you(that's their tactic). You may also contribute by copying this blog and paste on a new blog account  and collect as many contacts and info. as possible.  Everybody is still praying everyday. We are still hoping for miracle to happen.

 

LAT

Revenge said...

Till recent I know that he was in mobile wallet. He lured his people to put more money till the "disaster" happened in April that year. Actually, he already known in Feb. Damn this guy ! Don't care his people even friends. In his mind only $$$ ! Asked Aln about the new plan, he said will only be known after 2-3 months time. How come so long to decide? Are they now want to push / drag?

October 14, 2009 7:46 AM

Reply : Revenge

Hi Revenge,

Wow! This is serious and This is also something new to us, thanks! Now we are awaiting for the new plan from Wijaya team, if it is  reasonable enough then it will be a win-win situation for everyone. If he come with a new entity and an agreement to be signed by all investors then we will have  to proceed with our back up plan. There may be a lot of investors heading to Macau and some even going to Canada. Always remember me or you alone will not be able to do anything but if thousands of us united voice up together we will be able to make an impact! Get all the contacts in your group and also calculate the amount of investment made and prepare for the next step. As far as we are concerned we are dealing with Lecruz , and it is up to Lecruz to take action against those leaders.

 

Revenge said...

Just got to know a shocking fact!! The reasons given by the leaders that Le Cruz members asking lots of questions and interrupted the casino business actually not a real reason. The leaders knew or perhaps only Fishmonger knew what will happen next. That explained why Fishmonger doesn't want to continue earning the extra % of money as a stokist and release his stokist status to others. Why he doesn't wants to earn somemore as main stokist? Because he knew ! He knew something going to happen or rather said his syndicate is going to close this program. Now if you ask him, he will tell you : I'm not going to involve in it ! (because he is now already a multi-millionaire!!) Sue that Fishmonger ! Suck ! They changed new plan to pull in more sales. Who will gain the most ? Fishmonger (#001)

October 13, 2009 8:25 AM